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IC shroud testing – a different approach

Through the process of recording Intake Air Temperature (IAT) I have pretty well beat this subject to death, not finding much, if any, benefit to the charge air temperatures by having shrouds in place on the intercoolers that I have used in the past.

These results have been counter intuitive, so much so that I continue to purchase shrouds with my intercoolers even though I haven’t found them to improve the performance of the intercoolers.

To try and better understand why the shrouds don’t seem to be beneficial I decided to look at assessing the problem in a different way.  I thought that if I could place a MAF sensor housing flush against the back side of the intercooler core I should be able to record the mass airflow through the core under a variety of conditions.

Since I have tried checking the MAF voltages on the flow bench in the past I was close to having a setup that I could transfer onto the car with little difficulty.  Mounting the MAF housing to the back of the core was one concern that I thought could prove frustrating to try and accomplish.  I discovered during test fitting, to see if the MAF would even fit behind the core, that a couple of the cars interior braces would allow me to wedge the MAF housing in place and it would be flush against the core, good news.  All I needed to do was figure out how to hold the MAF housing in place.  After checking a couple of different length bungee cords I found a good length and wrapped it around the MAF housing.  A nice snug fit and the housing was firmly locked in place.

Hitachi MAF housing behind SRM IC core
Hitachi MAF housing behind SRM IC core

Next I set out to record the MAF voltages under different driving conditions with different parts on the car.

The first test case was without shrouds on the intercoolers.  I also left the belly pan off for this drive.  The route I took had me driving at 10 mph and then 20 mph through my neighborhood.   Out onto a street where I drove 25 mph then 30 mph.  Onto another street where I could drive 40, 45, 50, and 55 mph.  The onto a highway where I drove 60, 65, 70, and briefly on one drive 75 mph.

This drive was repeated with a stock shroud in front of the IC core.  I chose the stock shroud because the shroud supplied with the SRM IC fit’s very poorly and has a large gap along one side of the IC core.  The stock shroud has a good fit and the air is funneled into a region of the IC core that the MAF housing sits behind.

The final configuration that I recorded today was with the addition of the belly pan to the shrouded IC.

Chart of shrouding maf test
Shrouding MAF Test

On the chart above the Red lines are the “No shrouds” drive.  The Green lines are with “Shrouds” but no “Belly Pan”.  The blue lines are for the case with both the “Shrouds” and “Belly Pan” installed.

Upon first glance it looks like adding the shrouds did improve the mass flow rate through the IC core.  It also looks like the belly pan did not have much of an affect on the flow through the core.

I need to further analyze the data so that the speed versus time differences are eliminated and I can compare flow rates at like speeds.

A final test case I plan to evaluate will be with the IC shroud removed, but under belly pan in place.

Conclusion:

While this more direct measurement of airflow through the core showed differences with and without the shroud in place, I am unsure if the differences are significant enough to cause a meaningful change in the charge air temperature exiting the IC core.

Lastly, here is a FATS pull without shrouds installed.

No Shroud - FATS MAF
No Shroud – FATS MAF

K04 Stg3 Pre-Turbo Pressure

Continuing to establish some baseline performance metrics for the K04 turbo’s, I recorded the exhaust pressure pre-turbo with K04 turbochargers on the car, stock exhaust manifolds, and a mild Stage 3 tune.

ex_pressure_tester The pressure sensor reads on the passenger side exhaust manifold where the EGT sensor is normally attached.  I have a few connections leading from the exhaust manifold so that the sensor is not close to the exhaust gas heat.  The sensor is laying next to the accordion hose in the photo above.

A change from when I made these recordings with the K03 turbo’s is the addition of a pressure snubber to the signal line.  This device helps to smooth out pressure pulses to produce a smoother input signal and to also protect the sensor.

Pressure Snubber
Pressure Snubber

Results with the current turbo’s and tune are displayed below:

K04 Pre-Turbo Pressure
K04 Pre-Turbo Pressure

With an additional, shorter, pull.

K04 Pre-Turbo Pressure
K04 Pre-Turbo Pressure

A couple of more comparison charts:

Chart of Pre-Turbo Exhaust Pressure vs MAF
Pre-Turbo Exhaust Pressure vs MAF
Chart of Wastegate Duty Cycle vs Pre-Turbo Exhaust Pressure
Wastegate Duty Cycle vs Pre-Turbo Exhaust Pressure

EGT Model Accuracy

With stock K03’s, fueling, and MAF sensor the EGT model had proven to be a close match to the readings recorded via the full range RS6 EGT sensors on my car.

Stock tune on dyno:

K03 Stock Tune
K03 Stock Tune

 

Nefmoto community tune on dyno:

Nefmoto Tune
Nefmoto Stg2 Tune

 

NVR tune on dyno:

NVR Stg2++ Tune
NVR Stg2++ Tune

 

With my conversion over to RS4 K04’s, RS4 MAF sensor, and Bosch 72# EV14 fuel injectors I looked once more at how the modeled EGT’s compared with the readings from the RS6 EGT sensors.

K04 Stg3 tune on Street:

Audi B5 S4 Modeled EGT's vs Measured EGT's
Modeled EGT’s vs Measured EGT’s

 

With this setup on the street the modeled temperatures are becoming less accurate.  The mid-range modeled temperatures exceed those recorded by the sensors.